Team Stacking

[GrooTheWanderer]

Originally Posted by `frotus

Is there no way to auto-assign players when they join? I used to play on a CS server that did that to prevent stacking. Though if this worked you would have to remove the subscriber perk of being able to switch teams whenever.

it only works once every hour anyway and most of us use it rarely (I say this based on speaking with others on crazy house). I've been on teams with nobody speaking except me and I hate that so much that I will always swap teams then and do not wish to lose this ability.

[Innate]

I usually try to join blue most of the time as red is usually hella stacked. :'<

[pipski]

Originally Posted by Kira teh Blip

Is it even possible to have a team shuffle command? Never heard of it before o:.

mp_scrambleteams is the cvar for this, although that command also restarts the round, but dont worry voogs kung fu is strong, the question is not can it be done its whether we should implement such a command

[SoBe Green]

The biggest problem with it is that immediately any regular with a clue is going to zero in on the admin that done it and at some point someone is going to get temp banned over something they said that may or may not have been justifiably bad then a drama filled post will hit the ban forum.

Glad I'm not an admin.

What would be better is having it do it after a round end. If the teams are stacked bad enough that someone needs to use the command I'd imagine the round not lasting too long. This way it would appear the teams were just auto balanced and few people might catch on to what happened.

[WarDragon]

this is why i quit playing tf2 for the most part, good to see you guys recognize it as a problem now

[SoBe Green]

Its a problem in any online multiplayer FPS not just TF2. I wonder how you play any other games.

[rayder]

Originally Posted by SoBe Green

Its a problem in any online multiplayer FPS not just TF2. I wonder how you play any other games.

A lot of other games have auto-balance options or server admins force random joining.

[Drayth]

None of which ever really solve the problem of judging skill...I've seen -V- stacks lose just as often as they win. Instead of bitching about it why don't you just, yknow, play and have fun? Long as they're not abusing the stack by spawncamping(Which has happened once on Well recently...and I was on the camped team but it was also the most fun I'd had in a long time, trying toclear the fucking rats out of our attic only to have them keep coming back before we could establish a bigger defense...but we never lost either cuz of like 8 SGs in the int room lol)

Point is...nothing you can try to do will ever fix this, in part due to how many good people we have here in general. One side will always dominate the other, period. Quit trying to complicate things because once in awhile it's too stacked and you didn't get on the team before it was too late(And don't deny it...I can count on one hand the number of people who willingly join the anti-stack team out of the dozens if not hundreds we have)

Not everything has a fix; not everything is a problem. There are some things you simply have to accept and make the best of ;p

[Liwi]

I agree with Drayth. There's really nothing you can do to fix it while keeping everyone happy. It's just what ends up happening when you have a community that knows each other, and knows who all the good players are. Chances are, all the regulars will try to join one side, while all the newbies will just join the other side because they don't have a clue about who the good players are. It's just something that we all have to deal with.

[WarDragon]

Originally Posted by SoBe Green

Its a problem in any online multiplayer FPS not just TF2. I wonder how you play any other games.

Eh? I like earning wins and not rolling the other team over and over. So i always avoid playing with the stack because I actually give a shit if the other team has fun. I can't even really have any fun if the other team isn't.

And in the other fps games I play (q3, savage) I can just balance the teams by joining the other side. TF2 doesn't really let that happen though, kinda setup for teamwork.

And joining a specific team just because there's good players on it makes you pretty sad tbh.

[SoBe Green]

Well keep in mind not all people play for hours and hours on end. Some people only come in for a quick 30 minute game. For these people joining the winning team is just a way to have some fun. Not everyone takes it as serious as others. If I'm on a very limited amount of playing time I'm more likely to try to end up on the team doing the best so I can get the most out of the time I have. But if I'm going to sit out and play for 3-4 hours I'm likely to care less about which team I'm on as long as I'm having fun.

[clowndog]

I have certain people I'll join teams with but that is only if the teams are even. I also find that a lot of times the team full of friends gets to screwing around with their sprays and other jackassery and lose. I know it's frustrating when its stacked but I generally find some of the better players will jump to another team if it gets ridiculous. My personal rule is if the team I am on blasts through one round and I know it wasn't a fluke, I will switch up teams. Not that I make a difference but I feel like I tried to do something.

[SoBe Green]

And another note: Any time the V's are joining a team together on purpose it usually ends in asshatery like building nothing but SGs in the blu side on gravelpit or massive Pyro rushes on goldrush. Some people do join teams to win but for the most part I think the hardcore regs join whatever team and just deal with the outcome.

[beatnik]

Any talk about this being a -v- only stack should have ended at the start of the post. This is the -v- forums right? The whole "well the -v- stacks never win" is kinda BS. They win more than they lose depending on who is on the team. That is the point of this whole thing. I will agree 75% of the -v-'s are kinda "oohhhh pretty sprays", but the other 25% who can't stand the possibility of that 10% chance they may lose, are the ones that are being bitched about. No biggie. It's their choice. I actually enjoy having the list of dominations pop up on my screen each night. Just more of a challenge to do with no medic. No engi who has a clue. No team who knows how to kill a lvl 1-2 sentry to save their lives. How boring is it to just roll a team in 5 mins? Been there.. done that.. its f'n boring. Playing any class. Playing on the short bus is the new COOL!!


Actually. Come back wardragon. You know savage is dead as hell. (and BS that you didn't stack in savage . Lightning only teams, almost?). Truth be told those few that enjoy the anti stack are more then enough for those who stack. Just all about becoming the new stack!

[Totenkopf]

I usually join the team Jobo is on...he is one of the few people that kicks my ass...