Modern Warfare 2

[voogru]

I would have bought this if it wasnt for the anti-server operator bias this company seems to have now. Nobody should buy this game IMO.

Buying it will just further push them into doing the whole "no servers" BS even more, if income falls on it's face from this release then perhaps they'd reconsider.

[R0GU3]

Originally Posted by voogru

I would have bought this if it wasnt for the anti-server operator bias this company seems to have now. Nobody should buy this game IMO.

Buying it will just further push them into doing the whole "no servers" BS even more, if income falls on it's face from this release then perhaps they'd reconsider.

Well activision got like millions of dollars the day it was released but idk
Yeh I'm probably not gonna get this game unless its like less than $40 cuz come on:
9 v 9? what is this 2001?
and no mods =(

[n00b3h]

Originally Posted by Evilpeяsoи

Hey, some fps's are good on console.

No they aren't the only decent console fps' I've played were the timesplitters series and pd/goldeneye - and they only count because they aren't on pc.

[Ava1l]

CoD4 and Modern Warfare 1? Wow i must be way off i thought those were the same, hahaha.

[n00b3h]

Originally Posted by R0GU3

Well activision got like millions of dollars the day it was released but idk
Yeh I'm probably not gonna get this game unless its like less than $40 cuz come on:
9 v 9? what is this 2001?
and no mods =(

Well thats MOSTLY from consoles, I imagine the lack of dedicated servers has stunted the PC sales slightly, enough to make the difference to activi$ions master plan? I doubt it - but its a matter of principle.

I for one am actually looking forward to BF:BC2 because of their anti MW2 stance - who knows maybe it'll be as fun as bf1942/2

[voogru]

The BF series is a whole nother problem all together.

I remember the exploits in BF1942 that were never ever fixed.
I remember firing up BF2 and the same exploits from BF1942 still worked.
I remember firing up BF2142 and the same exploits that existed in BF2 (which were in BF1942) still worked.

Plug-ins could of course fill in the blanks and fix it...

Plug-ins? BF series? EA? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha. If EA was in charge of TF2 I'd probably be sued by them for doing what I do.

[pew pew]

Originally Posted by Ava1l

CoD4 and Modern Warfare 1? Wow i must be way off i thought those were the same, hahaha.

I'm pretty sure they are the same. Evilperson is just a weirdo.

[Ava1l]

I know. sarcasm is just so enjoyable though.

[SoBe Green]

Originally Posted by voogru

If EA was in charge of TF2 I would be sued by them for doing what I do.

Fixed!

EA is all about profits. They have ruined every series they have touched. Need For Speed, C&C Series, Earth and Beyond (best MMORPG ever), and the list goes on.

You know I never played any of the Call of Duty games or really been interested in realistic shooters (CS was as real as it got for me) and then I played CoD4 at a LAN and loved it. Were it not for people here and a few bad reviews I read I would have bought this game thinking I was getting something like the one I'd played before. PC gaming isn't dead but rather these big publishers and developers know that PC games last longer than console games. Most people buy console games when they are released, beat them, and then trade them into places like gamestop for credit in order to preorder new games. PC games require actually supporting the product they release long after it is released. This is why Microsoft's marketplace is a burden for devs like Valve and a money maker for everyone else. Each addon has to go through a long winding process to be listed or pushed out on the 360. This allows other developers to hype it up, and put a price tag on it. Where people like Valve that just want to make the game better suffer. TF2 could have been a huge hit on the 360 for instance. What happened here is by removing the server operator there isn't a dependency for players to require support for. Its a cheap way out.

[Ford]

EA isn't a company for end-game support.. such as the mid-range P90 (Voss) weapon in BF2142 (its been a long time) having the effeciency and range of a sniper rifle. It is a trend with this company to rush a game out and have little to no support for it afterwards. 2142 is the prime example. Hellgate London (supposebly rushed release). But, EA pumps out games like a rabbit makes babies... which isn't a bad thing, just the quality is lacking I would say over half the time.

As for the dedicated servers bullcrap (from IW), its a pretty assanine move. It is just more proof of a console port, I believe MW2 has the support to use a mouse+keyboard on the xbox360.. to improve gameplay. . But yes, console games have short-term life spans. It allows for developers to push out the same title year after year.

In contrast, L4D2 did a similar release approach and had a bit of an out-rage in relations with PC gamers. I suppose we EXPECT end-game support on the PC end, albeit do we deserve it? TF2 has had so much pumped into it from Valve i'm supprised they haven't enabled 'bonus' content or a fixed price 'expansion'.. much like BF2142 did, and i'm sure some games I'm not quoting (because im doing school work... right right?) .

But, I suppose you could parallel what IW is trying, to a case of evolution. It is attempting to evolve PC gaming to something it probably will not be able to support. I'm sure it has some good natured ideas behind it (anti-piracy.. [steam cloud already though!] no upkeep on servers.. [screwing server farms and player communities].. ability to alienate an entire install base [ done and done... if you actual realize we were screwed]..) that just will not mesh well with what I would assume as hardcore PC gamers. Yet, if you put us side by side, wouldn't Darwin mock all of us?

-Your resident Fungineer

[Alfred_E_Neuman]

Anyone with it on PC add me to friends for some co-0p and multiplayer.

[Heimdal]

Originally Posted by voogru

The BF series is a whole nother problem all together.

I remember the exploits in BF1942 that were never ever fixed.
I remember firing up BF2 and the same exploits from BF1942 still worked.
I remember firing up BF2142 and the same exploits that existed in BF2 (which were in BF1942) still worked.

Plug-ins could of course fill in the blanks and fix it...

Plug-ins? BF series? EA? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha. If EA was in charge of TF2 I'd probably be sued by them for doing what I do.

Someone was telling me about these 2 guys that figured out how to change server settings and use plugins while keeping their BF2 server ranked, I don't play BF2 anymore but used to help run 2-3 64 player servers and this was the biggest problem with the game. EA kept a lock down on it because of only allowing certain providers that agreed to not allow access to files so that clients could change them which isn't really right when you're paying upwards of $150 for one 64 player server.

BF2 was ruined by EA. 2142 started out right by them looking to the top clans, both competitive and pub clans for ideas and to detect and fix exploits. I was in one of those clans that helped Alpha and Beta test 2142 but I got burnt out on it and never bought it like most games I test for... they screwed the pooch on the game anyway from what I heard.

There's more money in it for them to release a game, have minimal support for it, and release another one inside of a year. EA perfected this for PC games with BF2 and all of it's add-ons and expansions. Valve started to do this with HL2. Hell, you still can't even use vehicles in that engine and that would have immensely helped the modding community and even developers that would have bought the rights to use the engine back when it was still fairly new.

[SoBe Green]

Originally Posted by Ford

EA isn't a company for end-game support.. such as the mid-range P90 (Voss) weapon in BF2142 (its been a long time) having the effeciency and range of a sniper rifle. It is a trend with this company to rush a game out and have little to no support for it afterwards. 2142 is the prime example. Hellgate London (supposebly rushed release). But, EA pumps out games like a rabbit makes babies... which isn't a bad thing, just the quality is lacking I would say over half the time.

As for the dedicated servers bullcrap (from IW), its a pretty assanine move. It is just more proof of a console port, I believe MW2 has the support to use a mouse+keyboard on the xbox360.. to improve gameplay. . But yes, console games have short-term life spans. It allows for developers to push out the same title year after year.

In contrast, L4D2 did a similar release approach and had a bit of an out-rage in relations with PC gamers. I suppose we EXPECT end-game support on the PC end, albeit do we deserve it? TF2 has had so much pumped into it from Valve i'm supprised they haven't enabled 'bonus' content or a fixed price 'expansion'.. much like BF2142 did, and i'm sure some games I'm not quoting (because im doing school work... right right?) .

But, I suppose you could parallel what IW is trying, to a case of evolution. It is attempting to evolve PC gaming to something it probably will not be able to support. I'm sure it has some good natured ideas behind it (anti-piracy.. [steam cloud already though!] no upkeep on servers.. [screwing server farms and player communities].. ability to alienate an entire install base [ done and done... if you actual realize we were screwed]..) that just will not mesh well with what I would assume as hardcore PC gamers. Yet, if you put us side by side, wouldn't Darwin mock all of us?

-Your resident Fungineer

PC gamers are a different generation of most of the console gamers. We grew up downloading patches on dial up. Having most games released ending up being great titles that to this day are what the games now are compared to. It was the age of the RTS. The expansion pack you didn't mind buying because it was almost a completely different game. The evolution of FPS. The text based RPGs. All created or modified by other players for other players to enjoy.

The console gamers have grown up surrounded by a large number of games released every year. Different consoles, addons and customization that you have to pay for and its ok because that is how it has always been for them. On the PC we prefer to do it ourselves. "Hey wish this guy's clothes were green" "Oh someone made a skin *download*"

Not saying you can't enjoy both worlds. The way games are handled usually is handled very differently. Look at Oblivion for example. Was fairly popular on the 360 but anyone who has played both will tell you that the PC is the way to go. Why? Because of the third party content.

Not a matter if we deserve that treatment but more of a matter that we will not tolerate anything other than that. Unless something changes I doubt we'll see this game very high on the charts for PC players over time. Of course it'll have a large burst for a month or two but we'll see.

[Satertek]

I think the (Xfire charts) are gonna be really interested to see relating to MW2. Right now it's at #2, with CoD 4 at #3, CoD 2 at #4 and CoD at #15. (Yea, Xfire isn't a perfect view of all of PC gaming, but it's probably the most reliable and biggest pool of users out there, especially for multiplayer)

My bets are on the multiplayer scene trickling back to CoD 4 once the shiny new paint wears off MW2 and people want to go back to their stable communities.

The CoD 1 and 2 players aren't really a factor. If they're still playing them, they're never gonna upgrade, heh.



Also, just returned my PS3 copy, ended up beating the game about a time and a half (skipped around on veteran difficulty) and had some fun with multiplayer, though I don't think I could get used to playing it regularly on a controller. (And got 32/51 achievements. I would've liked to beat veteran difficulty, just didn't have the time)

Now to find some MP3s of Hans Zimmer's soundtrack.

[SoBe Green]

Also watching the Steam stats. For the first time since Steam's introduction Counter-Strike 1.6/Source isn't the game with the most amount of players. Again not an actual representation of all PC games but its pretty interesting. Even at release TF2 has never beat CS. Even more interesting is there are roughly 200 people a day still playing TFC. And last but not least a game that is not a Steam exclusive is beating the Steam exclusive titles.