noSkill

[Marzuki]

Player Name: noSkill

Reason for request: After a long suspicion of cheating by both me and other community members, I have some interesting footage of him sniping (his usual class) and getting hits and headshots while he's obviously aiming nowhere on the player, i.e. the ground. Often he will get a headshot while aiming at the chest or even the feet.

Evidence: Here are a few demos, should be enough though.
http://rapidshare.com/files/86623804/12.dem.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/86624622/13.dem.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/86624790/14.dem.html

The second file is the clearest example of this.

Other info: This was on 01/25/08 on the 30 man server at around 5pm Central time.

[Drayth]

Yeah...look at the way he snaps to heads and pops around corners, shaking as it focuses lol, he's also sniped me no less than 6 times while cloaked, in areas where:

A) I could not bump him, or others(Under warpath's 2nd spawn in tunnel, he's up against wall in back) and
B) around corners where, if he were sniping normally, he could not have seen me get through(one of Hydro's caps w/ the 3 sniper windows above their respawn and a catwalk above cap) I came out the far door, only person guarding it at the time was an eng to the right in the cove with his SG; got sniped while still cloaked as I walked up the hill by cap, about to head up the stairs to the other eng; then then on that same cap, I cloak from tunnel and uncloak by the spawn door below him, there's enemies all over the place firing; I try to sneak upstairs to him and he's already rounding the corner with his melee out swinging at me; this scenario has happened multiple times in multiple maps)

Now, I don't accuse lightly; I joke with Lah about his "hax", and we all know he's a good sniper; noskill(gee what an ironic name) however simply kills people in ways even Lah wouldn't have predicted or been able to catch. Don't know what my opinion matters being new but hey, there it is

[Mr Poopy Pants]

You can see cloaked people during demo? Wow.

Dunno, hard to call. Glad I do not have to. :P

[NeoStyle]

I will check it when I get home in about an hour,if someone doesn't beat me to it. Thanks marz

Also, if he is still on, can you get his steam id? Just type status in console with him in game and it will come up.

[Overkill Killer]

He was playing while I was on tonight, I got his ID

# 194 "noSkiLL" STEAM_0:1:14729576 28:18 92 0 active

BAN THE BASTARD!

[NeoStyle]

Thanks, once I get home I will check it out, unfortunatly at work the site marz has the demos on is blocked, just a little bit longer

Is he still on?

[Drayth]

he's been playing today yes and I just got a fairly nice demo of him making it obvious ;p You'll notice how he never twitches up/down at all, just snaps to head-level of his target and then moves left/right -perfectly- then pops 'em. It ain't right and ain't how i've seen any legit sniper move before, even lah has deviations when he moves as well as the counter-sniper in my demo named EscapeYourMind

http://rapidshare.com/files/86696819/noskill.dem.html

[NeoStyle]

Originally Posted by Drayth

he's been playing today yes and I just got a fairly nice demo of him making it obvious ;p Will upload and post shortly

Thanks Drayth, I watched Marzukis demos, there were a few shots in the 2nd one that looked pretty shady, but the rest it looks like he misses just as much as he hits, ill watch em again but i didn't see any instant snapping to heads or insane shots, please let me know when you get yours up drayth.

[Tokyo Jane]

I watched all 4 videos, and he does not have an aimbot. He could have a wallhack, but he was scoping around corners when people were not there and not scoping when a sniper is crouched down around the corner.

I have seen people with aimbots, either his is the shittiest ever since he misses half the time, or he isn't hacking at all.

Probably should make it clear, that I don't think he has a wallhack at all.

[Satertek]

Honestly, I didn't see anything obvious. There are hits where the crosshair isn't centered on the player, but that could just be lag. The Half Life engines have never excelled in the area of hitboxes.

And the point at which Drayth said it was obvious in the tunnels on Warpath, that was a clean, quick reflexed shot coming around the corner. Wasn't even a headshot.

[NeoStyle]

Yeah, I'm gonna have to say with pretty good confidence he's not hacking. I've watched all the videos a few times now, he doesn't instantly snap on anyone coming around a corner (like ive seen aimbots do, I have demos of some if you want to see it), and he misses just about as much as he hits, he doesn't even flinch towards them when he comes around a corner, just picks a target and shoots.

[Ryuusei]

I just watched them myself, no obvious signs of hacking at all, not even wallhacks imo. There were two incidents I'm not entirely confident about but then it could either be lag, hitbox off etc. I've had moments where I shot at a guys head, only to miss by a cm and still get a headshot. He takes quite a while to aim (at least a second or two) before he shoots (not saying that he sucks, hes obviously pretty exceptional in sniping) which doesn't show me any signs of aimbotting whatsoever.

[noSkiLL]

It came to my attention today that this thread was here and so i wanted to check it out.

Thank you for anyone that agreed that i don't hack, because i don't and never have in any game. I will look at the demos later and maybe I can comment on them as well, but for now all i can really say is that i have been playing at voogru for awhile now (started playing here 6-8 months ago, took a break and just came back last week). I was always good at sniper.

That being said, it isnt hard to be good at sniper. The hitbox for a headshot is huge in this game. I can name at least 4 other snipers on this server that play regularly that are as good as if not better than i am. Most of the time when i rack up tons of kills its when im camping a particular area with a crowd of people coming through it and in those cases you just dont miss, your bound to hit someone in the face.

As for killing cloaked spies, that happens few and far inbetwen. I do kill disguised spies a lot because when im watching a hallway or something, there really is no reason for a teammate to come running at me and so i typically shoot them to make sure they arent a spy. Everyone else does the same thing, people just think that getting one-shotted by a sniper when your in disguise is fishy but being lit up by a pyro is just normal.

All I can say is i dont hack. There are some really good players on this server who would probably agree with that. I lose half my sniper fights, just ask anyone. This is my first post on this forum, wish it couldve been on a different topic =p

[noSkiLL]

Originally Posted by Overkill Killer

He was playing while I was on tonight, I got his ID

# 194 "noSkiLL" STEAM_0:1:14729576 28:18 92 0 active

BAN THE BASTARD!

that was mean

[noSkiLL]

Alright so i just watched all the demos.

The first 3 demos were almost emberassing for me to watch. I missed probably more than half my shots. Most of the headshots that probably raised suspicion were on snipers who werent moving. That is always going to be true though, they are the easiest to get headshots on. If your sniping and you arent strafing and making quick shots then you probably get killed a lot by other snipers.

The last demo from Drayth had the most in it. First right off the bat my headshot on that scout at the middle point at 28:55 was bullshit. I wasnt even aiming at his head and it registered as a headshot, don't know what happened there. Maybe it was because he was moving and I was moving my crosshair to follow him and i may have pulled up or something that cuased the bullet to go up, but i was clearly aiming at his chest (he switched to sniper and killed me right after that).

at 27:30 I kill a sniper in the right tunnel and drayth says "he saw the sniper behind the wall." No, I didn't see the sniper behind the wall, but i did see the blue dot on the tunnel wall right next to me where my teammate died. That is how i knew a sniper was waiting there. Please re-watch this portion of the demo and you will see it too. A demo kills my teammate, and at the same time there is a blue sniper dot on the wall. I kill the demo, then i inch around the corner to kill the sniper. I do not wall hack. I thought it was obvious to anyone watching the demo that there was clearly a sniper in that tunnel, but apparently not.

Drayth said that i only zoom in and walk around corners when i know someone is there. At 23:27 and 22:55 i ran around a corner without zooming. In one case i ran into two snipers who were literally 2 feet in front of me. In another case i ran into a sniper hiding on a box and only his head was visibile. If i knew they were there, i wouldnt have run out like that unprepared.

And finally, its actually a bad thing to inch around a corner while zoomed in if you know a sniper is waiting for you, because they will kill you first, yet i do this all the time. That is why you see the better players strafing around and pulling quick headshots rather than waiting for a charged shot. The only reason i inch around a corner with a charged shot is because im trying to kill the other 99% of the team, which requires charged shots, not go after snipers.

In those videos i consistently kill some of the worse snipers (not trying to trash anyone) yet i consitently get killed by the better snipers. They do exactly what I do but maybe because they are in a clan/community no one questions them. If i remember correctly wtf lah is a -V- member and kills me plenty. So does Working Class Hero, Escape (cant remember his full name but hes in those videos), Starraven, and a few other names i cant remember atm. But no one questions them. I gauruntee if you spectate them you will see the same "bullshit" you see in my videos.